It's Monday night verging on Tuesday morning now, and I could give you an alleged recount lead number, but why bother? As Nate Silver says at FiveThirtyEight, there's really no point to it because the vast and growing number of ballots challenged and thus set aside is well over ten times as high as the current alleged lead of Norm Coleman's. Oh, what the hell: It's 210, per the Strib (or 172, per the Secretary of State's office and the MnIndy) -- but again, please bear in mind: The number of challenged ballots is now at 2801, which is around fifteen times the size of Coleman's alleged lead. In other words, it's addition by subtraction, as I've said before. Coleman himself has said that he thinks most of the challenges will be dismissed, which to me sounds a lot like admitting that he knows the challenges were bogus to begin with.
Aside from the ongoing ballot-challenge tit-for-tat, it looks as if a number of ballots may have gone missing in precincts across the state:
Franken’s recount attorney, Marc Elias, said the campaign had become aware of the problem in the last few days from reports in the press as well as from campaign workers in the field. “Ballots have gone missing,” Elias said, calling it “a serious matter [that is] very concerning.”
He named more than a half dozen instances — from St. Paul to Duluth, and Crystal to Apple Valley — where the recount has turned up discrepancies between the number of recorded votes and the number of ballots county officials have been able to produce. And besides the cases reported in the news media, Elias said, the campaign’s own information indicates “this problem may be even more widespread.”
Now, it could be just sloppy counting on the precincts' parts, but with a margin this narrow, missing ballots could loom large here. The fact that the Franken campaign is insisting on pursuing these ballots and the Coleman campaign is not (and in fact is attacking the Franken campaign over this) is quite suggestive as to who these missing ballots might favor.
But disappearing ballots aren't the only problem: We've now run into extra ballots in some areas: When Becker County started its recount this morning, it had 61 more ballots on hand than were recorded by the end of Election Night. 53 of those ballots came from mail-in precincts, and eight were absentee ballots. In addition, four other ballots have apparently vanished from Holmesville Township in northern Minnesota. The ballots were tallied after the polls closed, but now these four ballots (three for Coleman and one for Franken) have grown legs.
So when will this all end? Not for another two weeks yet: Two counties, Todd and Sherburne, don't start their counts until tomorrow; a third county, Stevens, starts on Wednesday; and the last six counties won't start their recounts until next week. And meanwhile, the challenged ballots will keep being pulled from the tally to be looked at later.
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The election will probably end up in court.
If you want to help Al Franken with a court challenge, then you can donate at his website:
www.alfranken.com
Maybe President-elect Obama or the DNC can find some money for Franken’s legal costs. Not to appear cheap, but seriously, there is a war chest under the control of the Dems.
Or is that not legal?
Nuts!
What a complete clusterf*ck.
i don’t have too much hopes for franken. shame.
With luck maybe some of the missing ballots will be discovered in Coleman’s possession.
Who could have predicted?
OT - did anyone just catch obama’s press conference?
parts of it.
i’m beginning to think we need to recount every damn election by common standards.
was there anything to it? was it better than yesterday’s? thanks!
I think they should have another election.
no not much different. lots of work ta do. focus now on sort term then trans to long term stability. couple of new appts to econ team.
market started to tank just as paulson started to speak and hasn’t recovered with the bama speech.
i wonder if there is a precedent for that in mn. would that benefit al?
I don’t know, but it is getting so convoluted that no one will trust the outcome in any case on either side.
one thing that gave me tingles was an error admission from bama. small thing but he said “we” will admit mistakes. period!
Citibank Never Figured That Housing Prices Would Drop
Jane’s up at the mothership
thanks i’m listening to it now (cspan archives). don’t hearing any detail in this one either. hope i heard wrong, but i think i heard him say something about the need to save social security. really really hope i heard that wrong.
you don’t like ss as a retirement plan fer us?
Someone I know wrote a map that tracks the recount and licensed it to WCCO. You can zoom in and click on a precinct to see the individual stats on the recount for that precinct. You can see it here:
http://elections.cbslocal.com/.....ce88.shtml
In some fo the precincts workers separate ballots into stacks of 25 for each candidate, and then the ballots are totaled. Apparently, in one precinct a worker was caught stacking 26 ballots in each stack of Franken ballots. These would later be counted as only 25 votes! Dirty tricks like these might explain some of the missing ballots
That’s why Coleman started challenging tons of ballots right out of the gate. Franken was forced to do the same simply to keep Coleman from getting away with creating the false impression that he was really “gaining” in the recount when all he was doing was taking Franken ballots off the table temporarily.
What I find interesting is that, at least the ones I saw — was that the Coleman “questioned ballots” were pretty lame. As in “This guy voted for McCain … and Franken! That is suspicious!” No wrong marks, nothing — just the people the voter voted for.
And this sets up the end game. If Franken wins, Coleman can then say, “The Board said MY questioned ballots were all in Al’s favor! That is a fraud! Unfair!” That’s the 2008 GOP for you. And he WILL do this, if Franken wins. I’m just waiting for it.
Minnesota Law does not permit any sort of re-do of the election. Forget it.
I suspect both the missing ballots and the addition of ballots will be accounted for by the County level Judges. If there is too much deviation between the original machine count as compared with the count of the sign in book, they will probably recount the precinct ballots. After the ballots were hand sorted and counted in the recount phase, the Franken/Coleman/Other ballots were packaged seperately, thus available for an independent re-count to establish whether all ballots are accounted for. This would not only catch someone counting out 26 ballots for a 25 vote pack for Franken, if it showed up as a pattern in several precincts, it would not favor Coleman in the PR world. (The rules require that all packs of 25 be counted independently by both the R and DFL Judge — so it will be interesting to see if they followed the rules to the letter.)
What will be interesting is tomorrow’s State Canvas Board Hearing on the excluded absentee ballots. The Franken Campaign, which went to court to get access to information about this catagory, said today that 66 of 87 counties had provided them with all files on the matter, we’ll see if the Canvas Board orders the other 21 to produce them. (they should).
I think the argument about these will be around the principle of equal protection. Some county clerks may have allowed very similar absentee ballots to go to the precinct, be opened and counted on election day, but other county clerks may have excluded on the same grounds. Say Sue Ellen Smith is your voter, but she signs her ballot envelope, Sue E. Smith. One county may have allowed, another disallowed. That ain’t equal protection, and if some are already counted, the argument will be that all others with a like disqualification need to be counted. We’ll see what the Canvas Board does with arguments like that — remembering that Minnesota Law favors counting every possible vote.