It looks like this might be it. But I've given up predicting the Democratic primary, so I'll wait and see.
Breaking: Clinton To Suspend Campaign Tomorrow Night?By: Cliff Schecter Monday June 2, 2008 11:58 am |
Breaking: Clinton To Suspend Campaign Tomorrow Night?By: Cliff Schecter Monday June 2, 2008 11:58 am |
It looks like this might be it. But I've given up predicting the Democratic primary, so I'll wait and see.
Here’s to hoping it’s over.
Very interesting line in Cliff’s link:
A lot of folks have speculated on what Hillary wants to conceed. VP? Cabinet position? I think the above is what she really wants.
Boxturtle (I’ll drink to “It’s over”)
Sure sounds like it’s over.
“In addition, Politico wrote that members of Clinton’s advance staff had received calls and emails Sunday night, summoning them to New York City and telling them their roles on the campaign are ending.”
If she is going to be on the ticket, won’t she need these people? Sounds like maybe she’s not.
I’m thinking VP is out, but then I never gave that much of a chance. You’ll see a lot of those folks picked up by Obama fairly quickly.
Boxturtle (Still hoping Hillary will work for Obama here in Ohio. She could make the difference)
You’d be as good as anyone at predicting. You’re doing a very good job in following issues on McCain and obviously issues on the election.
One of the few things I’ve learned is, that if you think you can predict (having predicted a number of things already with potential foot in mouth) elections will humble you and although polling is supposed to be a science, much of it is an art.
I will say with all the control I can muster though, the Clinton camp and the Clinton followers have been simply outrageous in coming up with math metrics that wouldn’t have gotten them out of the third grade.
It is ridiculous that the main stream media, particularly the cable stations have embraced the goofy Ickes popular vote metric that keeps evolving as if it were real.
Because when you count the real popular vote, Clinton is not winning it.
West Virginia ‘72 is Michigan ‘08
You cannot be honest and just say that the caucus states don’t count. If you are a person that doesn’t want to count them, and Bill Clinton now seems to be that person, then you should get active in your local state’s Democratic party and try to change the rules.
And as has been discussed a lot on other threads in these FDL blogs, rotating regional primaries and fixing the voting machines so they can’t be hacked as easily as touch screens has is essential. Will it ever happen? Who knows?
Having said predictions will humble you, I’ll bet you the house for a number of reasons HRC absolutely doesn’t want to VP–I’d rather be a Seantor any day. As to her ability to run for President in 8 years if Obama is elected, (I don’t think it’s in the cards for her in this life) she has as much chance to get there as governor of NY if she wants to run and makes it or from the Senate.
I’m not sure although it can happen, why someone would want to go from the Senate if they can keep getting re-elected to become a governor of a state but that’s me.
Vanity Fair has an article in this month’s issue that has Bubbah steamed:
Bubba Trouble: The Comeback Id
Bill Clinton Fights Back Against Brutal Vanity Fair Article
What the hell am I doing on a Faux News website?
Update: Exiting Clinton is going smoothly. 34 House Members/Super D’s by definition have agreed to go for Obama tomorrow including the 3rd ranking member of the house Jim Clyburn. Many more House members are getting ready to join.
Obama has picked up Super D’s today.
There is a lot of movement today to push some Senate fence sitters.
She will be exited if she doesn’t get her act together and concede tomorrow. That’s the only choice she has.
There just isn’t time left to let her to jerk this thing around (language cleaned up).
I agree - she’s not stupid and has to realize she has burned or damaged a lot of her political bridges and hurt the down-ticket races of her supporters. She bet the ranch and lost, now its time to repair as much of the damage as she can.
Barack is a masterful politician and his help will be essential in rehabilitating her (and retiring her debts), so I think the quid pro quo is his assistance in the effort.
She’s been stupid during many times. So-called smart people can do stupid things.
She and selfish Bill killed their 4.5 year old lab. If you aren’t smart enough to secure your dog from a yard after you run off to take care of yourself, and you leave a dog running around in the yard, you’re completely stupid when you do.
The Clintons did it, and they refused to talk about their stupidity, and as she is shoved out of the race tomorrow we will not get her 2007 tax returns and the library contributors, and the reason is because much of that income comes from people dealing directly in threats to US security just as Mark Penn was taking money from threats to US security both defense and economic security.
Who are the fucking doners to the Clinton Foundation?
What are the Clinton’s hiding? Besides procuring 20 somethings for Bubba what are the Ron Burkle financial dealings with Clinton?
Ck out the Vanity Fair article I provided for you above.
Want to ask Hillary who since 2 days ago has been running from the press afraid to answer questions? Obama is taking questions from the press ever day.
1) Why did you stupidly leave your Black Lab running loose in the yard abutting one of New York’s busiest two lanes?
2) Income taxes 2007 which pant suit do you have ‘em stuffed up?
3) Library Foundatin donors? What’s to hide Clintons?
This election is bringing out the deep racism entrenched in this nation since its beginning.
This primary brought out the Borderline Personality Disorder that Hillary suffers from.
These are people who use politics for personal gain to the extent few other politicians think about doing. Period.
Time to put some shoe leather in the hardbitten enlarging pant suit ass of the grizzled old bitch:
From First Read MSNB:
From NBC’s Christina Jamison, Ron Allen and NBC/NJ’s Mike Memoli
On the plane just now flying from Rapid City, S.D., to Sioux Falls, S.D., campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee maintained that Clinton is not getting out of the race tomorrow night — or anytime soon.
Elleithee said as long as there is still no nominee (and incidentally he wouldn’t say the campaign acknowledges a delegate number at which there will be a nominee), the senator will be making the case on the phone to committed and uncommitted superdelegates and uncommitted delegates.
He repeatedly said there will be “an ongoing dialogue” with committed and undeclared superdelegates.
Clinton has no public schedule beyond Wednesday, where she speaks at the AIPAC conference in Washington, D.C. Tomorrow, Clinton will spend the day at home in Chappaqua, N.Y. doing local radio in MT and SD, as well as making political calls. Bill Clinton, campaign aides believe, will be home with her, as well as daughter Chelsea.
When asked about reports the campaign has invited top donors to Tuesday night’s celebration, and whether that signals an end to the campaign, Elleithee said donors are invited in every state the night of the primary and this is nothing new.
He insisted the e-mail to advance staff offering flights to New York or home was just to give them an option as “this phase of the campaign” wraps up.
So what’s next?
The campaign plans an aggressive outreach to undeclared superdelegates, including many currently committed to Obama. Both Hillary and Bill Clinton are expected to be working the phones for most of the day.
The campaign says it does not expect there will be a nominee after tomorrow night, and when asked about the magic number 2,118, Elleithee indicated that number may change depending on what Clinton decides to do about Michigan.
“She is, in the coming days, going to be aggressively courting superdelegates and unpledged delegates,” Elleithee said, adding emphatically that there will be no nominee after tomorrow.
What if Obama reaches 2,118 and declares victory? The answer is basically that Clinton will deal with that when and should it happen.
The mantra is that Clinton will fight on especially for superdelegates until there’s a nominee. But with Clinton hedging on whether she’ll appeal the DNC’s Michigan decision, it’s unclear what she thinks actually determines when there’s a nominee.
The spokesman wasn’t clear about how an appeal would take place, saying check with the DNC — perhaps only when the Credentials Committee is formed, and that’s perhaps eight weeks ahead of the convention.
No word on future travel plans despite being asked numerous times about various scenarios like traveling to key battleground states, or whether she’d be focusing solely on McCain.
As Clinton said herself yesterday, “It’s not over until it’s over,” and she’s a person who takes things one day at a time. And as of now, insisting she’s still determined to win, and believes she can.
There was a lot of parsing on when — or if — she will acknowledge there is a nominee, given that she has reserved the right to appeal the Michigan ruling, and her statement that superdelegates can change their minds, that it’s not over until the votes are counted.
When asked, based on all that, if one could only infer that she wants only a convention vote to determine the nominee, and he demurred. Asked what happens if the leadership of the party (Pelosi, Reid, et al.) come out and end it, he said that many times in this campaign, people declared it over.
Clinton is holding a celebration tomorrow–celebrating being an obstructive, destructive borderline personality– a little girl in a woman’s body who is spoiled and can’t bring her damaged ego structure to put her personal interests aside for the Democratic party.
There aren’t any more states after tomorrow. And Guam, Virgin Islands, absentee votes haven’t weighted in (that of course Ickes and McAuliffe don’t count including the states of Washington and Maine which have weighed in for Obama.
The pool we have going here is how many hours will it take for the Super Delegates to all go for Obama and leave Clinton high and dry after she refuses to leave the race tomorrow night.
FDL should have a contest.