It will be interesting to see if the Ron Paul crowd end up supporting Barr. Despite the play that Nader got in 2000 the MSM is very quiet about the implications of Barr in 2008. Let’s keep reminding them that he’s out there.

BTW I assume you are aware of this Jed Report post?

We need to start scraping the teflon off of grampa McSame.

Morning Cliff!

I suspect this is annoying, but not causing too much wailing at McBush HQ. With the possilbe exception of Georiga, I don’t see this is swinging any state to Obama that he wouldn’t have already gotten.

McBush next needs to decide if he needs to ignore Barr or if he needs to respond. It might be most effective for him to simply ignore Barr. If we want to use Barr to his fullest, we need to get him and McBush into an arguement as to who’s the true conservative. That will cause McBush to lose some of the vital middle and that might make a difference eleswhere.

Wonder if Obama should use Barr to point out where he agrees with the conservatives and try to peel off some votes. I think Obama and Barr agree on every point above, for instance.

Boxturtle (McBush is drowning, lets throw him an anchor!)

And your link to the ABC news story above doesn’t work for me.

Boxturtle (But with two spelling fatfingers in my first paragraph, I can’t criticize)

Now the link works. Maybe I’m undercaffinated.

Boxturtle (Off to fix that)

He’s the Red Nader.

Go Bob Go.

But Cliff, didn’t you get the memo? This will hurt Obama.

/sn

lets throw him an anchor

A big one.

I bet McCain will court Barr for the VP slot now, because as of right now, McCain appears to be the Second Coming of George Bush and that is turning off a lot of republicans.

With Babar in the race I can see Montana going Obama, I can also see this shoring up NH and maybe causing some disconsternation to McCain in Georgia.

The is very, very, good news.

I would bet that Barr would be too pissed off at the rethugs to go for that without HUGE concessions that the evil empire is not about to make.

By the way Cliff, I think Cindy has enough Xanax on hand to help her hubby & his campaign out with. LOL

With Ron Paul pulling in 17% of the AZ GOP primary vote and Grampy McSame polling only 11% over Obama in the latest poll… McCain really could lose AZ….. baaaahhaaahhaaa

Nice to see the Repubs in a dither for a change, isn’t it. I think Barr will take a lot of votes away from McC.

I agree. I’m sure a ton of money will be passed around behind the scenes to get him to give into McCain.

Factual correction (for Bob Barr, not for Cliff): McCain didn’t “make up” the “Bomb Iran” song. That’s been around since the ’80s. (Or maybe even the late ’70s.) For those of you with absolutely no taste (like me), there are a couple of different versions of the song available on iTunes.

Yes it is, though, they’ve been in a dither because of McCain for sometime. I used to say that there were 6 rational republicans left in the country. I can now say with great confidence that number has moved up to 11!

We continue to please our European friends… A Triumph of banality, otherwise known as Ft Knox at the Brandenburg Gate. The Germans, as you might imagine, are somewhat less than overwhelmed.

Beach Boys, “Barbara Ann.”

1965, btw.

Do you have a video of that? How can you prove such a daring statement just kidding.

i like that name for mr impeach bill clinton with a vengeance bob barr!! i think ron paul has more pull than babar…..

you guys have the wront idea when it comes to barr, he will not take republican voters from republicans he will take republican voters from democrats

they need someone to vote for who is not from their party, they are disenfranchised from their party but they still want to vote

barr gives them an out other then obama

the voters that were going to vote for mccain still will

this is not a spoiler he is a plus for them

Are you kidding me? Those 11 rational republicans don’t want their face to be shown for fear of……….retaliation by the right wing knuckledraggers who make up the rest of the party!

Why did my smiley face disappear? drowned in the lake

Beach Boys, “Barbara Ann.”

Yes, I know. The song “Bomb Iran” is a parody of “Barbara Ann” by Vince Vance and the Valiants.

I’m not sure I agree with you, Perris, because this morning I watched Bob Barr (on C-SPAN? Sorry, can’t remember at the moment) and he talks very much like Ron Paul in my opinion. He’s not thrilled with the Iraq occupation either. I didn’t hear his views on immigration, but to me, republicans want anyone but McCain right now and they would feel better casting their vote to Barr (or Paul) than they would McCain or Obama.

But then again, what the hell do I know! LOL Out of all of them, I think Barack Obama is the most likely to make a change than any republican could. That said, the Libertarians and the Liberals have pretty much been on the same page since the first bomb was dropped in Iraq.

Americans want change. Let’s hope we get it.

i got the zed!

I like the idea of a lets you and him fight scenario. To “explain” to their viewers, the gasbags on the tube would might be forced to point out just how horrible Mcbush’s policies are.

Here’s a video of Bob Barr…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7QDfVP7tRE

And here’s two reactions to it:

heywoodjablohme (6 days ago)
I’m voting for Wayne Root, an actual Libertarian. Sorry Bob, the LP doesn’t need someone who authored the DOMA, or a drug warrior representing it. We don’t need a former prosecutor who doesn’t understand jury rights. We don’t need a former CIA man who thinks that drug interdiction in Colombia is constitutional or moral. You may be willing to disavow those positions (which you haven’t yet), but until you do, you have no business running as a Libertarian.

MLIRBlur (3 weeks ago)
Even though I support Barr, I must say he could do a bit better job of explaining why he’s a member of the party. Heck, he’s part of LP leadership! More and more LP members seem to be going against his prospective campaign because they don’t trust that he’s a Libertarian. I think there’s some substance to this; however, the party cannot pass up an opportunity for electoral success such as this. I would call upon other candidates such as Phillies, Kubby, and Root to pull out and become platform

I think that it could be very interesting if he is allowed to debate in the Presidential debates.
Here, in Atlanta, he has written scathing Op Ed pieces for the Atlanta Journal Constitution dealing with the crimes of the Republican party in the last seven years.
He could be a huge embarrassment to McSame and a real danger to him in Georgia.

Barr’s against the war. He’ll probably pull from us too and I’m betting it’ll be a wash.

With Babar in the race I can see Montana going Obama,

I don’t know Montana very well, I was under the impression is was solid red. That would be a real kick if he lost Montana.

Arizona will be interesting. He’s really going against the wave on immigration, but Obama is just as much against the same wave. It’s mildly annoying that one of the few issues I’m close to agreeing with McBush upon is the issue that might cost him his home state.

Boxturtle (I’ll get over it)

I don’t know of many in the vital middle that will throw away their vote in protest if they’ve got someone real to vote for.

This is going to pull from conservatives who can’t stomach either McBush or Obama and we wouldn’t have got those votes anyway.

Boxturtle (McBush’s best chance right now is to run as “Not Obama”)

If either Democratic Presidential candidate had a track record of standing up for the Constitution, there might be reason for Democrats to feel smug about Bob Barr’s candidacy. As is it, anyone who’s seriously concerned about the growth of Federal government power in the last few years ought to give him a moment’s thought. He’ll probably siphon away votes from Obama (or Clinton) as well.

absolutely. It may seem unfathomable to those who think the (D) party somehow owns leases on the loyalties of anyone against the war and in favor of our constitutional civil liberties, but a genuine civil liberties/antiwar candidate in the race will have a draw on anyone who realizes how complicit the (D) party has been, every step of the way, with all of the depredations of the Bush Regime.

In some polls, Barr is pulling 6-7% against Obama or McCain, but polls during this time in the primary don’t always extrapolate that well to the general.

LOL the dead corpse is still asking for a debate. You don’t debate dead ghosts. She can debate herself in the mirror all of her borderline personalities can debate each other.

He’s polling 6% against Obama and McCain and Clinton has been out of the race for a long time now.

Hillary Clinton’s colossal blunder simply the last straw

Home town newspaper says buh buh buh to the Hillruh nutcase.

The Clinton Borderline Personality is its own Worst Enemy

LOL this is great. One of the last ditch whiners who has had too much to drink at the wake, Lanny Davis is trying to conflate “contract law” admitting that Clinton is the breacher of the contract and therefore if Obama is in the way of the breacher’s cure, he should not be able to profit from the remedy. The only problem there for Davis, is that Obama has already won the race and even his moronic solution wouldn’t win it for Clinton.

One of many futile attempts by a Clinton Cynic to Screw Obama

I have confirmed with several dog walking neighbors that the sun has come up today Tuesday, 5/27/08 and now we have a seven day countdown until the Super Delegate Rush and the Bum’s Rush occur simultaneously in this primary election. You figger out who the bum is.

This morning I offer this column by a very congenial mellow reporter/sometimes opinion writer for The Washington Post Gene Robinson who has been getting an awful lot of airtime recently for whatever reasons on MSNBC. Speaking of over the line, Gene Robinson has had it with Hillary like most of us, most of the delegates, and now most of the Super Delegates, and most of the population of the US who has voted.

Clinton’s Grim Scenario by Eugene Robinson WaPo 5/26/08

What Hillary Wants by Eugene Robinson WaPo 5/23/08

I am pasting the last column because it rings so true: Gene Robinson will be answering questions live today
The writer will answer questions at 1 p.m. today at http://www.washingtonpost.com. His e-mail address is eugenerobinson@washpost.com.

Clinton’s Grim Scenario

By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, May 27, 2008; A13

If this campaign goes on much longer, what will be left of Hillary Clinton?

A woman uniformly described by her close friends as genuine, principled and sane has been reduced to citing the timing of Robert F. Kennedy’s assassination as a reason to stay in the race — an argument that is ungenuine, unprincipled and insane. She vows to keep pushing, perhaps all the way to the convention in August. What manner of disintegration is yet to come?

For anyone who missed it, Clinton was pleading her cause before the editorial board of the Sioux Falls, S.D., Argus Leader on Friday. Rejecting calls to drop out because her chances of winning have become so slight, she said the following: “My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don’t understand it.”

The point isn’t whether you take Clinton at her word that she didn’t actually mean to suggest that someone — guess who? — might be assassinated. The point is: Whoa, where did that come from?

Setting aside for the moment the ugliness of Clinton’s remark, just try to make it hold together. Clinton’s basic argument is that attempts to push her out of the race are hasty and premature, since the nomination sometimes isn’t decided until June. She cites two election years, 1968 and 1992, as evidence — but neither is relevant to 2008 because the campaign calendar has been changed.

In 1968, the Democratic race kicked off with the New Hampshire primary on March 12; when Robert Kennedy was killed, the campaign was not quite three months old. In 1992, the first contest was the Iowa caucuses on Feb. 10; by the beginning of June, candidates had been battling for about 3 1/2 months — and it was clear that Bill Clinton would be the nominee, though he hadn’t technically wrapped it up.

This year, the Iowa caucuses were held on Jan. 3, the earliest date ever. Other states scrambled to move their contests up in the calendar as well. When June arrives, the candidates will have been slogging through primaries and caucuses for five full months — a good deal longer than in those earlier campaign cycles.

So Clinton’s disturbing remark wasn’t wishful thinking — as far as I know (to quote Clinton herself, when asked earlier this year about false rumors that her opponent Barack Obama is a Muslim). Clearly, it wasn’t logical thinking. It can only have been magical thinking, albeit not the happy-magic kind.

Clinton has always claimed to be the cold-eyed realist in the race, and at one point maybe she was. Increasingly, though, her words and actions reflect the kind of thinking that animates myths and fairy tales: Maybe a sudden and powerful storm will scatter my enemy’s ships. Maybe a strapping woodsman will come along and save the day.

Clinton has poured more than $11 million of her own money into the campaign, with no guarantee of ever getting it back. She has changed slogans and themes the way Obama changes his ties. She has been the first major-party presidential candidate in memory to tout her appeal to white voters. She has abandoned any pretense of consistency, inventing new rationales for continuing her candidacy and new yardsticks for measuring its success whenever the old rationales and yardsticks begin to favor Obama.

It could be that any presidential campaign requires a measure of blind faith. But there’s a difference between having faith in a dream and being lost in a delusion. The former suggests inner strength; the latter, an inner meltdown.

What Clinton’s evocation of RFK suggests isn’t that she had some tactical reason for speaking the unspeakable but that she and her closest advisers can’t stop running and rerunning through their minds the most far-fetched scenarios, no matter how absurd or even obscene. She gives the impression of having spent long nights convincing herself that the stars really might still align for her — that something can still happen to make the Democratic Party realize how foolish it has been.

Clinton campaigns as if she knows she will leave some Democrats with bad feelings. That’s the Clinton way: Ask forgiveness, not permission. But every day, as more superdelegates trickle to Obama’s side, it becomes a surer bet that she will not win. She and her family enjoy good health and fabulous wealth. They’ll be fine — unless, while losing this race for the nomination, Hillary Clinton also loses her soul.

petie. u got somethin’ ta’ say? whyncha just go ahead? don’ hold back.

*tap tap tap. this thang on?*

..4..3..2..

LOL the dead corpse is still asking for a debate

oh. i get it…

mom’s calling……..

Adie–she’s had about debates. Including the one where the insipid little whimp Stephanopolis orgasmed on flag pins yet he and his blond trophy wife never wear them. It’s over. And instead of graceful we want messy. We want the grizzled old bitched thrown out.

Why ya votin’ for? McCain? Hope you have a good grasp of what McCain will give ya. See Bush 8 years. See Alito and Roberts.

And McCain argues that if Obama went to Iraq with 200 Blackhawks hovering over the Green Zone and a thousand troops attached to his security detail as in McCain visits then Obama would have the standing to talk about Iraq.

And by McCain’s metrick, the chickenshithawks Bush and Cheney and Chambliss have no standing because they ran away from serving in harm’s way.

Especially for you Adie. Soak it up. I can’t remember when I’ve ever seen you post anything substantive besides some lyrical taunt. How’s that lithium level working? Maybe ole Kirk (”never saw a brain map that wasn’t carved in stone even though no one in medicine acknowledges their value”) can adjust your Lithium level. If your mom’s calling show her the respect to answer her. Why aren’t you supporting this blog with some substantive statements about anything instead of childishly trying to taunt me? There have been 20+ debates. That’s enough. Time to get out.

The Trouble With June 1992 as a Case for Pressing On

The Clintonistas who are holding seances must have a superficial knowledge of how to work a search engine or You Tube.

If Clinton doesn’t get out by June 5 (and she’s going to be thrown out then) she crosses the line into wasting Obama’s time and harming all Democrats including down ticket Democrats.

So Jane, Christy, and LHP can ride the ballots in Denver train but in doing so they sure want more Bush in the White House. It would provide a lot more material to rail against in blogs wouldn’t it?

It would keep Marcy better brilliantly analyzing more Bush and McCain scandles for another few years.

By the way Bill Clinton sure as hell has retrograde amnesia because his campaign sent a ton of messengers to Jerry Brown and Paul Tsongas to drop out during March of 1992. What fucking liars the Clintons are.

From NYT article linked above:

Yet the Clinton campaign in 1992 used some of the same tactics that Mrs. Clinton and her supporters now decry, like declaring the nomination secure early and encouraging party leaders and the news media to climb on board.

In the weeks before the California primary that year, much of the attention was already focused on the general election, with Mr. Clinton treated as the presumed Democratic nominee challenging President George Bush. Sights were set on November, with speculation about how Ross Perot, a well-financed independent candidate, would affect the prospects of the two men.

Recalling the race on The Huffington Post over the weekend, William Bradley, a California political strategist-turned-writer, said he had personally delivered a message to the Clinton campaign before the California primary that Mr. Brown “would run no TV ads in the California primary and would pull back from the sharp attacks,” in recognition of Mr. Clinton’s strength.

In fact, the race had for all intents and purposes ended weeks earlier, on April 7 in New York, when Mr. Brown made something of a last stand. It was ultimately a bust: He came in third, behind Mr. Clinton and the second-place finisher, Senator Paul E. Tsongas of Massachusetts, who had suspended his campaign weeks earlier.

That night, George Stephanopoulos, who was then a top aide to Mr. Clinton, declared that it was “mathematically impossible for Brown to get the nomination” — the start of a campaign to declare Mr. Clinton the presumed nominee, even as several other major primaries loomed.

“So, lightning would have to strike,” Mr. Stephanopoulos, now with ABC News, said at the time, a phrase he repeated last week to describe Mrs. Clinton’s chances against Mr. Obama.

Mr. Clinton soon made a victorious visit to Capitol Hill, where he began trying to rally to his side the party leaders with automatic convention seats known as superdelegates.

And party members reported an effort by Clinton allies and ranking party officials to pressure uncommitted superdelegates to line up behind Mr. Clinton, a strategy he decried this past weekend when he accused “them” of bullying superdelegates early to choose sides between Mr. Obama and his wife.

“There’s this frantic effort to push her out,” he said, adding, “I’ve never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running.”

In 1992 Mr. Clinton’s strategy drew some support for his candidacy, including former Representative Don Edwards of California, who said on the day of Mr. Clinton’s Capitol Hill visit, “He’s going to be the nominee, so good Democrats are getting on board.”

The message was also shared with the news media, with Ronald H. Brown, the party chairman and Mr. Clinton’s close friend, telling The New York Times that April, “I cannot imagine a set of circumstances that would keep Bill Clinton from having a majority of the delegates by the end of the primary season.”

Mr. Clinton was also discussing his vice-presidential considerations, telling a student that April that “a lot of presidents have got in trouble in past years because they picked too many people who were just like them.”

In one way, though, Mr. Clinton’s clinching of his party’s nomination was later in the primary calendar than will probably occur in 2008. The Democratic convention that year was in July, a month after the contests ended; this year it is not until the last week of August, almost three months after the last states vote.

Adie get these. Put ‘em where ya itch. Seven more days and the Bitch is thrown out.

Roads High and Low

Borderline Personality Clinton’s Grim Scenario

Hillary Is Her Own Worst Enemy

Hillary Clinton’s colossal blunder simply the last straw