McCain is a veteran of the Polyp-Amnesian Wars

It appears that the McCains both are in a revelatory mood. Cindy has just released her 2006 tax returns to bookend John’s medical records.

Random thought: If Cindy’s “never” is only a couple of months, then John’s “100 years” might be a pretty quick return from Iraq.

laughing my ass off!

better yours than his?

sorry, not with you on this one cliff, pre cancerous cells and early scuamus skin legions are nothing to take note as far as I am converned.

this one gets a pass from me

Cindy really released her tax returns?

…and his exploits are lesion.

Somewhere back a couple of threads, someone made mention of the fact that they thought that it looked as if McCain were wearing a colostomy bag. If this is so, then this business of having “benign colon growths called polyps taken out during a routine colonoscopy in March” is a much bigger deal than it looks.

ROFL…

masterful!

Assuming that the medical records are accurate

Cindy McCain has released her 2006 tax returns, showing total income of more than $6 million. The wife of Republican presidential candidate John McCain paid more than $1.7 million in taxes
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....EAwwys0NUE

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I cry foul!

The AP story had a quote from an examining doctor that is an OBVIOUS LIE:

“I do not see any worrisome lesions,” Dr. Suzanne Connolly concluded after McCain’s most recent exam, on May 12.”

What about that GIANT “worrisome lesion” Joe LIEberman stuck up McCranky’s ass?

Maybe Obama could hug McCain after a debate and find out for sure. Remember the ipod type device everyone thought Bush had in the back of his suit during that one debate?
The GOP has to find candidates with nothing to hide.

well the post is about these issues to which I think we are over reacting

I am not on board this particular issue, I am on board the fact that he won’t be forthcomming with his complete history but bringing up these issues is counter productive as far as I am concerned

too many people have had pre cancerous skin legions and know that it is a non issue

not with you guys on this one, sorry

Seriously though,
don’t blow off squamous cell or basel cell carcinomas. Depending on where they are located, they can be serious cancers. Yes, melanoma is a killer, it has killed people I know; but skin cancers are cancers, they all are malignant growths.

Yeah that looks cancerous I suggest a round of Chemo, Radiation, and rubber bullets to shrink the tumor.

true.

oh, that thing?

Is John McCain as Healthy as the Media Are Saying?

No = SASQ

Note to the punster: On a roll today you are. *g*

If Obama had a history of 4 bouts of malignant melanoma, do you think he would be considered “healthy” and a good risk for president? And, he’s 20plus years younger.

Not.
JMHO

hey firedogs -

afternoon pre-nap drive by . . .been at work for a few hours

has it already been reported on the threads that Liebushman’s step son has publicly endorsed Obama ??? - tee hee

I have a dear friend who had the same condition, polyposis, and she lost a third of her colon. These things are considered pre-cancerous polyps..but many times they do become cancerous. So, if Sen. McCain has a colostomy bag, they removed a whole lot more than a couple of polyps, believe me.

they specifically said early scuamus, now that might not be the case but if it is then we are making too much of this

by the way, information for everyone;

if you ever do have a cancerous legion make sure you have it removed by a “moehs” surgion, though I don’t know the exact spelling of that method, they take out the legion including margins and then they do pathology while you are still there, if the margins are negative you are good to go, if they are positive they take more layers, till they are clear

a much better rate of success with this method and much less scaring

Great…HRC brings up RFK assassination as a reason to stay in the race or something to that effect. All shizzola is hitting the fan.

good thing my monitor’s behind saran wrap….

No I agree if McCain won’t turn over his complete medical history why should we worry about what he is willing to reveal that should be the issue. I even don’t trust the accuracy of what he claims he is willing to reveal.
Who could trust a partial medical history, thats like showing your Dad the 50% you got right on a test and claiming you got an A the MSM might fall for this but nobody else will.

I agree with your point that none of this offering can be trusted, I don’t agree with making an issue of precancerous or early stage skin legions

McLame is as fit as a horse. and just about as smart.

I don’t trust AP’s credibility at assessing thousands of medical documents in two seconds and making an assessment that fast. BS.

and he is very long in his teeth, too.

The Decider has decided and said that the next president will be a Republican. Nuff said.

It will be reported as “We’ve seen the records, he seems just fine” without noting the restrictions that were placed on them. Then when it comes up again, McCain can say “Look at the newspaper articles, they said I’m fine.” And that will be the end of it.

BTW - I still say we need to see the mental health records.

I don’t care about any of this skin stuff. I want to see the Psych. evaluation. The guy is constantly about to come unglued.

ditto

the old gray ‘mayor’ just ain’t what he used to be, ain’t what he used to be…

Exactly. I’d bet that almost anyone his age from Arizona has basal cell and squamous cell skin cancers. He’s from the generation(s) that believed that tan was healthy… The malignant melanomas are the potentially fatal ones.

This thread should be called we really need to focus on McCain’s choice for VP because even if McCain is healthy there is a good chance he will die of natural causes in his first term.

The last person I knew personally who had polyp surgeries like McCain has had is now deceased.

and he wasn’t all that in the first place

Hate to rain on the parade but removing a squamous skin cancer is pretty routine. Local anaesthic, cut and stitch, you’re outta there.

f you ever do have a cancerous legion make sure you have it removed by a “moehs” surgion,

It’s a Mohs surgeon (sorry, perris, is the medical transcriptionist in me, and in case anyone needs to get in contact with one the correct spelling makes it easier).

Obama needs to pick a VP now in case he is taken out Dennis for VP would make the Washington elite so nervous they would fire all those rascist secret service agents getting sued right now.

Supposedly, “John McCain” has not had a psych evaluation in the past 8 years…but he’s been registering at the Mayo Clinic under another name…maybe the other name was evaluated. Just sayin’.

From the news box, Fidel seems to agree with you.

“McCain, in his book ‘Faith of My Fathers,’ admitted that he was among the last five students in his course in West Point,” Castro wrote. “He’s showing it.”

LOL

Why would he get a Psych evaluation is that some free medical benefit Congress gets with their healthcare plan?

I’m at least as curious about Cindy’s tax returns.
Seems like releasing them , pre-long weekend slow news day Friday, under the cover of also releasing the medical records, is doubly sneaky.

Prior to 2000 he was evaluated. Perhaps he had some anxiety or depression or anger management problems. I don’t know.

why yes, I believe it is, doesn’t everyone get medical benefits in this country?

I know everyone does in other countries, not ours?

I am more interested in his psychological records (and I am not being funny). McCain’s pattern of behavior and his profound stress from being a POW, with a troubling pattern of anger management issues during his earlier life, makes me wonder if he suffers from PTSD — post traumatic stress disorder. And if we as a nation have a chance in Nov. of becoming directly and collectively subject to this dangerous dysfunction.

Does anyone think that Lieberman facilitated the Hagee endorsement of McBush?

(wonder how Joey feels now,,,)

He has been reckless, and tempestuous, neither are good traits in the one with the finger on the button.

if you ever do have a cancerous legion make sure you have it removed by a “moehs” surgion, though I don’t know the exact spelling of that method, they take out the legion including margins and then they do pathology while you are still there, if the margins are negative you are good to go, if they are positive they take more layers, till they are clear

a much better rate of success with this method and much less scaring

Mohs surgery. Been there; done that.

Maybe because he was a POW and has obvious anger managment issues.

That sounds very interesting McCain might have anger management problems, well what is the most likely course of treatment and what are the side effects from any medication that he takes as treatment?

O.T. from the front page of today’s NY Times. This is totally chilling. Anyone else see this?

“During an editorial board meeting, Hillary Clinton also referred to the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968 as a reason she should continue.”

True and that is a good reason to be angry, but is Angry who we want as President?

Posted on another blog….can’t remember which.

that would make him a hippocrite

wow - that was fast, HRC has already issued an apology for her RFK refernce

Yeah we saw it Obama needs to name a VP now so Hilary won’t have an excuse to run anymore. Although does the VP or the next runner up for President take over if something happens to the Presidential candidate becomes the question.
I think the VP takes over.

Not only no but hell no. I don’t want to see another republic in office for the rest of my life. I don’t trust any of them as far as I can throw them. I am pissed off enough at the Dem leadership to want to see them go as well but only replaced by more and better. The republics have to go. The more of them we can defeat the better.

Yes, I believe someone upthread, mentioned that.
Gotta link?
‘Cause I don’t subscribe, but I’d love to read the story.
People here sometimes give commenters grief for not providing a link, but in this case, I would just like to read the story before I comment.
Know what I mean?
Thanks.

link w/ video

h/t TPM

That’s a real hackle-raiser….

Oh, heck, I think a lot of us are angry.
Who is it here who says If you’re not angry, you’re not paying attention?
I just wish some people who share their anger in an over the top way would focus it at the ones who are making us angry and not at each other here.
I know, I’m Pollyanna.
Or, Rodney King.
Still.

Why this is important is that it was withheld from the voters and the media in February which might have had an effect in the Repug primary….. just think….. it could be Mittens or Huckleberry.

McBush is interviewing for a job that I pay for AND I am demanding full disclosure. Since this yeahoo is my senator… I demand that as his constituent.

I’m angry, but I don’t go into screaming rages. McCain apparently does, and on a regular enough basis that other Senators expect his apology notes…

those would be iredogs

Howie’s up with
The Far Right Turns On McCain … Again

Channeling punaise?! Actually, we’re rabid lambs…

Oh, yes, I’ve heard this.
I suggested in a way earlier thread, like days ago, that we focus on his thinning hair — not us - I mean someone who can illicit an on camera melt down.
Among a list of other issues, it may be an Achilles Heel moment.
I’m waiting for that Youtube.
He’s as volatile as a really old can o’ beans.
Ewwww, that smell. Can’t ya smell that smell?

What a difference a Letter makes, eh?
Good one.

John Dean writes about the “authoritarian personality”. That enthralls others with its power stance and intimidation. I see it as an addict personality. The enthralls “enablers”. The addiction of excitement, what will happen with this powerful person, will the charm come out this time, or the rage. Like gambling rush…. waiting for the slots to stop spinning.

One symptom of PTSD is to when stressed go into a primitive child state. Infant time. Overwhelming fear or rage. So there is not a rational, adult voice within to rely on. Another one is psychic numbing, where one is disconnected from one’s authentic feelings. PTSD sufferers deserve empathy. Not the profound responsibility of running a very wounded country.

People need to detach from crazymaking Jeklyll/Hyde behavior. Once they get a ticket on that rollercoaster … they are in the thrall of the addict. Look at the “codependency” issues … what the addict does to the lives of his or her codependent network responding to their rollercoaster. We as a country have been and still are on Bush and Cheney’s surreal rollercoaster, with tragic consequences … and now the threat of war with Iran. Just as co-addicts when they separate from an addict are ripe to find yet another one, will this country choose recovery or another four years of crazymaking destructiveness?

Hey there… on vacation in Calif. Falling behind with FDL articles… a lapse in a great education… but nice to see you here! Hope all is well!

Is John McCain as Healthy as the Media Are Saying?

When we have a healthy media, I will consider taking their word..

The media should have never accepted the limitations placed by team McCain on his medical record scrutiny.

Seeing him on the Senate floor belittling and just on the edge of verbal abuse to the gal that was trying to help veterans was enough for me.

www.nytimes.com

it’s on the front page. you don’t need a subscription for the online version.

It just shows that Hil has assassination on her mind - does she think that is the only venue left to her now? Ugly thought!

I just saw the video, and I don’t think that’s what she said. She was talking about the historical context of primaries going on for months, and said her husband didn’t wrap up his nomination until June and also that RFK was etc. But it seemed to me she was using it more as a thinking-of-time reference than as justification for “I have to stay in the race because Bobby was killed.”

Not a tactful or thoughtful thing, true, and I’m no great fan of the campaign she’s run, but in this case I’m not faulting her for more than thoughtlessness.

$1.7 million in tax on $6.0 million in income seems high, especially if that’s only the federal portion. It suggests a low proportion of capital gains income and high portion of current income - dividends, interest, gains from selling stocks held less than a year.

One year in isolation doesn’t disclose much with someone that wealthy. A pattern over several years would disclose much more, as would specifics of her contributions to her husband’s campaigns and to those who support him. Equally important, what are her most significant investments and how does or how would those be affected by St. John’s conduct as Senator or President?

Tonights CBS News with perky Katie Couric was touting McCains robust health. Talked about the health issues of Wilson, Kennedy and FDR (all Dems) without mentioning Reagan’s alzheimers. McCain is the corporate media’s chosen one.

I was disappointed that some of the press who covered McCain’s arms length revelation of his medical records like Lawrence (”Larry”) Altman, M.D. (there were other medical doctors) wrote the standard press vague article summary.

We have never had the press demand from many in the limelight who have health issues to share charts and path reports as Kirk Murphy, a psychiatrist wanted over on the Lake. But as Kirk says, they aren’t running for Pres and McCain is.

Kirk wants the press to release the same records he might request as a physician when caring for a patient whos psych care would require Kirk’s knowing a complete history for the psych treatment, or for drug interatctions/or drug choice, or for Kirk’s medical care in addition to the psych care of his inpatient or outpatient.

They don’t do this, and maybe they should. Obviously McCain can control what he releases, just as Hillary Clinton was witholding her tax returns and still is all though the race has realistically long been over for her except in the fantasy world of people like Jeralyn Merritt who is exercising quite a bit of psychiatric transference in her stake in Hillary’s success and bitterness at Hillary’s failure.

I would point out one constructive criticism for Dr. Murphy however. Dr. Murphy does interesting posts in which he invests considerable time, and is a skillful writer as many psychiatrists who have been trained to plumb the depths of their imagination and metaphors are. However, Kirk often fails to do one thing that should be done.

Kirk wanted the biopsy material submitted to experts, and there are much better clinical dermatopathologists that do this every day than AFIP, and talked of tissue sections and hinted at the criteria that are used to give prognostic indications on malignant melanoma cases. There are a number of other criteria like SEER data, thickness, ulceration, location of tumors (head and neck have a worse prognosis), regional node involvement, how many mets hit nodes, age of diagnosis (older is worse, the status of sentinal node biopsy, the actual histological type of melanoma, and spread pattern (nodular and acral lentiginous spreading indicates a poorer prognosis than lentigo maligna and superficial spreading), interval between melanoma diagnosis, and that the more years for an individual who has had one melanoma, the higher the probability they will have a second, etc.

To imply that we have this kind of data that is reliable for neuropsychological and cognitive testing is simply wrong of Dr. Murphy. It doesn’t exist yet; and no medical literature reflects this.

He does not accurately portray the level of reliability sophistication, and clinical accuracy that the neuropsychological tests like brain mapping, or cognitive tests, (and there are many that neuropsychologists who often consult for psychiatrists, neurologists and other physicans deploy) have or the reputation that they enjoy with other physicians or in the medical literature that reviews them including neurology literature, internal medicine literature and the psychiatry literature.

Anyone who has read it and keeps up with it knows that there is a ton of disagreement as to the reliability of each and every neuropsychological test among experts in the field, and it is reflected in that literature. While there may be a lot of speculation in any traditional medical area, like say the cutting edge interplay of Diabetes and brain hormones and bone hormones.

In Diabetes, a Complex of Causes

I also don’t know where Kirk gets his information and states as fact that McCain has ever had alcoholism, or has ever “been violent” at work. Dr. Murphy doesn’t qualify that, and if McCain weren’t such a public figure, stating that about an individual, particularly when you are a psychiatrist could make Kirk the easy target of a libel suit.

I have never voted Republican, and while I respect McCain’s service, his comments about Obama have already been ludicrous and I consider McCain and Clinton equally unqualified for the office of President and Clinton to be unqualified to hold any federal office whatsoever.

One advantage of Clinton staying in the race is that she is revealing her personality disorders that render her unqualified to be President or on a VP ticket, although I would enjoy seeing her as a McCain running mate where she perhaps belongs.

…and my colon as well!